OPT Podcast

The On Pop Theology Podcast is an occasionally serious, often bizarre show featuring interviews, conversations, and whatever else we are able to cook up.

You can subscribe to the show on iTunes (rate and review please!) or find it here every Monday.

We'd love to hear your feedback. Leave us comments, interview suggestions or topics that you'd like to hear us discuss.


Episode 57: An Interview w/ Richard Beck

This week on the podcast I talk with blogger, author, and psychologist Richard Beck. They discuss the Church of Christ, the nature of psychology and theology, the label "progressive" and the importance of human experience. We'll also discuss Beck's new book The Slavery of Death, Eastern Orthodox theology and the concept of kenosis. 

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Episode 56: Jesus Is Better Than You Imagined w/ Jonathan Merritt

In this week's episode Ben chats with Jonathan Merritt, author of the new book Jesus Is Better Than You Imagined. Their conversation will cover topics such as the effects of growing up as a preacher's kid, the nature of religious commentary, and the need for mysticism in the church. They'll also talk about the importance of honesty and vulnerability in writing as well as the time he took a ride on Mel Gibson's jet.

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Episode 55: Villainous Villainy

This week on the show Ben, Sebastian and Jesse tackle the topic of villains. What makes a villain? Why do we create villains? Do we need villains to be able to understand ourselves? They'll talk about the villainy of Fred Phelps, Stalin and Hitler, as well as whether Batman would be a villain if he existed in real life. Also, Ben and Sebastian will share about the Mark Driscoll sermon they watched and the whole crew will share historically mundane moments in villainy.

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Episode 54: Leviticus, An Interview w/ Baruch Levine

This week on the show, Sebastian continues his exploration of the Biblical texts with the book of Leviticus. His guest is the renowned Hebrew Bible scholar Baruch Levine. They'll discuss this oft-ignored book of the Bible, including the differences between Jewish and Christian approaches to Leviticus, the idea of communion in the sacrificial system, and a message of hope for the day when all the peoples of the earth come together before the God of Zion.

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Episode 53: Christ and Pop Culture w/ Alan Noble


This week I talk with Alan Noble, the managing editor of the website and online magazine Christ and Pop Culture. We'll talk about the origins and goals of CAPC, how to listen well and maintain good relationships with people even when you disagree, and whether it's better to be attacked for being too conservative or too liberal. We'll also discuss the morality and ethics of college sports and the relative redness of Danny Bonaduce's face.

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Episode 52: The Swan Children w/ Hannah Ettinger and Connor Park


This week on the show Ben talks to Hannah Ettinger and Connor Park about the new magazine and online art gallery The Swan Children. The Swan Children was released last week and features the creative works of artists who grew up in the homeschool, Quiverfull, and conservative Christian communities. First, we talked to Hannah about the the idea behind the magazine and the projects genesis. We also discussed her hopes for The Swan Children and the ideas the magazine is trying to foster. Then we talked to Connor about his role as Editor-In-Chief and some background information on the homeschool movement.

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Episode 51: Exodus w/ Terence Fretheim


This week on the show Sebastian continues our journey through the Bible with the book of Exodus. His guest is noted Old Testament scholar Terence Fretheim. They'll discuss the larger themes of Exodus, including the concept of a God who suffers and God's participation in human life. Dr. Fretheim also invited any questions you might have after listening to the episode. If you have a question for Dr. Fretheim, please send it to us at onpoptheology@gmail.com and we'll pass it along to him.

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Episode 50: The Winter Olympics

Sebastian and Ben settle in for a discussion about the Winter Olympics in Sochi. They'll discuss some serious topics about whether the Olympics are a form of embodied theology, as well as the political and economic realities of hosting the Olympic Games and whether bake sales are the solution. They'll also broach far less serious ideas such as what sports they'd like to see in the next Winter Olympics and why Sebastian thought Cool Runnings wasn't real. Also, look out for the introduction of Jeremy St. Madrigal, our resident Prophet of the End Times.

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Episode 49: Before the War w/ Taylor Walling of The Wallings Jr.

This week I sat down with Taylor Walling to talk about music, songwriting, and artistic inspiration. Taylor and his wife Courtney make up The Wallings Jr. who recently released their debut album Before the War. We'll explore their method of songwriting, what they hope to convey through their songs, and talk about the stories behind several of the songs on the album, which was loosely inspired by letters written by Civil War soldiers.

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Episode 48: On Being Muslim in America w/ Amir Arain

This week Ben talked to Dr. Amir Arain, the President of the Islamic Center of Nashville, about his Muslim faith, and in particular the experience of Muslims in the American South. We'll talk about the basic tenants of the Islamic faith, the cultural differences between different strains of the religion, and the response of moderate Muslims to the terrorist activities of radical groups. We'll also discuss interfaith cooperation and hopes for increasing acceptance of the Muslim community in the United States. 

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Episode 47: Genesis w/ Robert Alter

This week on the podcast we're starting a new series on the Bible. Once every month Sebastian Faust will be interviewing a different prominent thinker and scholar on a different book of the Bible. For our inaugural episode in this series, Sebastian talked with Dr. Robert Alter, a Hebrew language and comparative literature professor at the University of California, Berkeley. They'll discuss the literary nature of Genesis, the reason for the two creation stories, and Dr. Alter will share his deeply insightful thoughts about the relationship between Abraham and Isaac.

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Episode 46: Vulnerability and Race w/ Grace Biskie

The podcast is back! For our return episode, Ben sits down with author and blogger Grace Biskie. Their conversation focuses especially on the deep vulnerability of Grace's writing and her thoughts on racial issues stemming both from her childhood in Detroit and her bi-racial identity. In addition, we'll touch on issues of gender, feminism, marriage, and parenthood. It's a wonderfully open and honest interview, and I hope you enjoy it.

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Episode 45: The West Wing Musical Extravaganza

This week's episode is dedicated to the greatest political television show in history and, in particular, the greatest fictional president, Jed Bartlet. The show starts off with a conversation between Sebastian, Jesse and Ben about the use of religion in The West Wing. We'll talk about episodes heavy in religious topics, Bartlet's Catholic faith, and how the show dealt with pain and loss. After that we'll talk about what a Hypothetical Jed Bartlet would do to deal with current economic, political and cultural issues. Finally, we'll bring you our first podcast musical composition, "The Council of Extraordinary Men".

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Episode 44: Inside the Creative Mind w/ Jim Kast-Keat

This week on the show Ben sits down with Jim Kast-Keat to discuss creativity, education, and his recent transition into ministry. We'll also talk about his time working with children's education at Mars Hill in Grand Rapids, Michigan, the importance of intellectual freedom in education, his personal podcasting projects, and what it's like to be a minister married to another minister who works at a different church.

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Episode 43: Wine, Sunsets, and a Plethora of Tables

Every week at On Pop Theology, we read a lot of blog posts to put together our "Best of the Week" post. In the nine months that we've been doing that we've learned a lot about blogging, writing, and the nature of Christianity in our corner of the internet. We've also learned that we don't drink nearly enough wine. So this week, Sebastian, Jesse, and I decided to knock back a little vino as we reflect on the lessons we've learned from reading Christian blogs all these weeks. We'll talk about metaphorical tables, why our existential angst doesn't make us angry enough, and how sometimes we don't understand some of the things the nice people on the internet say. But mainly we'll get tipsy and tell you how much we love you.

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Episode 42: Stuffed Animals, Grace, and Being a Pastor in the City w/ Jes Kast-Keat

This week on the show Ben spends some time with Jes Kast-Keat, the associate minister of West End Collegiate Church in New York City. They talk about how Jes got into pastoring via her stuffed animal congregation, what reformed theology means to her, the meaning of grace, and the important lessons about being a pastor in the biggest city in the US. They'll also talk about the time Jes went shopping in Oman and made a life-long friend.

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Episode 41: Justice and the Sacraments w/ Katie Grimes

Ben sits down with blogger and theologian Katie Grimes this week to talk about issues of justice and ethics. They'll discuss women in theology and religion, racial issues in the church, the impact of Grimes' Catholic faith on her theology, and the first six months of Pope Francis I papacy. We'll also discuss the great(ish) city of Marion, Ohio where Ben and Katie both grew up and why Katie didn't like Tree of Life (which is basically heretical for a theologian).

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Episode 40: On Interpretation and Preaching w/ David Henson

This week on the show Ben talks with David Henson about fresh and subversive readings of Scripture. They’ll explore how to read Scripture with a fresh eye, the nature of provocative preaching and what to do with difficult passages in the Bible. We’ll also talk about how David’s kids are obsessed with OK Go videos and his experience being a theology fan boy.

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Episode 39: A Christian Nation Full of Care Bears

This week Ben, Jesse and Sebastian talk about whether or not America is a Christian nation. We'll discuss the assumptions we grew up with, the conflation of American values with Christian values, and why believing America is a Christian nation makes the Revolutionary War ironic. There will also be references to The Giving Tree and Care Bears. Finally, you'll join us as we quiz Christian college students in a game called "Ben Franklin or The Bible".

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Episode 38: On Blogging and Growing Up Fundamentalist w/ Micah J. Murray

This week on the show Ben talks with blogger and friend Micah J. Murray about writing, the importance of aesthetics, and the lessons he learned growing up in a fundamentalist tradition. We'll discuss journaling on Xanga, why websites should be pretty, and Micah will drop a Nacho Libre quote about his scripture memorization skills.

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Episode 37: Dick Cheney Sounds Like the Devil

This week Ben, Sebastian, and Jesse dig into the terrible, awful concept of hell, but in a fun way with jokes. They'll trace the development and prominence of hell as it's been portrayed in pop culture, including the representations that don't fit at all with historic Christian theology. Then they'll play a rousing game of "Who The Hell Am I?" where they must chose whether a quote was said by Don Draper, Dick Cheney or the Devil himself. Finally, they'll tell you who they most want to meet when their heretical nonsense sends them to hell.

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Episode 36: Stand-Up Comedy and the Economics of Divinity School w/ John Thornton Jr.

This week Ben is joined by his friend, and On Pop Theology contributor, John Thornton Jr. for a conversation about stand-up comedy and the economics of divinity school. We talk about John's experience as a stand-up comedian as well as the reasons why so many stand-ups are atheist. Afterwards, we segue into a conversation about the usefulness of divinity school as well as the economic toll it takes on many who pursue that path of education.

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Episode 35: Twitter is Summer Camp For The Internet

This week Ben is joined by guest hosts Joanna Bradley and Emily Maynard to talk about the weird and wild world of Twitter. We'll talk about meeting internet friends, why you shouldn't date guys from Twitter, whether or not to self-censor, the ridiculous nature of Twitter fights, and the awkward moments when the internet and real life merge. Also, we'll all give our recommendations for Twitter must-follows.

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Episode 34: On Women in Ministry w/ Jen Thweatt-Bates

This week on the show Ben sits down with Jen Thweatt-Bates, theologian and moderator of Gal328.org, an organization working for gender equality in Churches of Christ. Ben and Jen talk about their shared Christian upbringings and breakdown the interpretive steps used to restrict the role of women in the church. In additon, they talk about different ways of overcoming these restrictions and hopeful steps for the future. Finally, they'll discuss Jen's book "Cyborg Selves: A Theological Anthropology of the Posthuman" as well as her run-in with Michelle Williams and Heath Ledger once upon a time.

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Episode 33: Everyday Insights From Vodka

This week on the show Ben, Sebastian and Ryan talk about Christianity and alcohol. They share stories about their childhoods as well as their first interactions with alcohol and discuss the increasingly accepted role of alcohol in the evangelical and post-evangelical church. After this conversation, we talk about the two bogeymen of the evangelical church, alcohol and sex, in a new (and possibly slanderous) game called "What's Your Affliction?" Finally, Sebastian shares a tale about his drunken philosophical take on the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We hope you enjoy this rambling and lovable concoction.

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Episode 32: On Modesty, Dating, and Being Single in the Church w/ Emily Maynard

Ben sits down with writer and blogger Emily Maynard to talk about modesty culture, "Christian" dating, and being a single twenty-something in the church. Emily takes us through her experience with modesty culture and the frustrations it's caused. Also, we'll confront the idea that marriage is the highest calling in the church and discuss why "Christian" dating advice is just so bad. Have a listen, laugh a little, and we hope you enjoy!

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Episode 31: The Wonderful, Magical World of Online Dating

Ben, Jesse and Sebastian sit down this week to talk about the weird and wild world of online dating. During the conversation they tell their stories and talk about the positives and negatives of online dating and whether they think it's helpful in finding true love. After that discussion, they'll play a new game called "Christian Fiction or Harlequin Romance". Finally, join in the fun as Jesse and Sebastian make Ben fill out a Christian Mingle profile. We've included the user name and password in the podcast if you're curious to check out the site. Have a listen, have a laugh, and enjoy the show!

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Episode 30: Coming Out in the Church w/ Registered Runaway

This week Ben talks with the ghost-blogger Registered Runaway about his experience of coming out in an evangelical church. We discuss the reasons behind ghost-blogging and listen as "RR" tells us about his personal experience of depression and pain that led him to come out of the closet. We also talk about the love and acceptance of family and friends, the importance of affirming churches, and breakdown some widely believed myths about gay people. It's a fantastic conversation filled with vulnerability as well as some great laughs and I hope you enjoy it.

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Episode 29: DOMA, Prop 8, and Exodus International

On the day of the historic Supreme Court rulings which declared the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional and effectively invalidated California's Proposition 8, Jesse, Sebastian and Ben sit down in the studio to reflect on the meaning and importance of the day's events. They pontificate on whether these rulings will be viewed as the tipping point in the gay marriage conversation or if the importance of these rulings is more symbol than substance. Eventually the conversation turns to the recent apology from Exodus International President Alan Chambers and the wider question of the churches response to homosexuality.

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Episode 28:The Church Is Johnny Cash

Ben and Jesse embark on a wacky, meandering, and occasionally insightful look into the world of pop music and how it relates to the church. Over the course of the episode we'll talk about the fight between style and content, the transition from innovative to hip to cliche, why we like things that are subversive, and why Lutherans are like kale.

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Episode 27: A Diverse Church For People Just Like You w/ Christena Cleveland

Ben and Jesse sit down with social psychologist and author Christena Cleveland to talk about issues of race and diversity in the church. Dr. Cleveland talks to us about the value and importance of multicultural churches as well as some of the pitfalls and hurdles facing churches that want to become more diverse. We also discuss the importance of diverse leadership, the role of those in the church with privilege, and why multicultural churches may be more effective, but less efficient than segregated churches.

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Episode 26: But I Don't See You As Asian w/ Bruce Reyes-Chow

Ben and Jessie talk to Bruce Reyes-Chow, author of the new ebook "But I Don't See You as Asian: Curating Conversations about Race". They explore the importance of having conversations about race, the author's personal experiences with racism, and the ways in which we can all try harder to understand each other and treat each other with respect. We'll also touch on topics such as tokenism, ways to move the racial conversation forward, and the movie Titanic. 

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Episode 25: Sad Is Just Happy For Deep People

Ben, Sebastian, Jesse and Ryan talk about the manufactured happiness of churches from the "Too Blessed to be stressed" mindset to having all songs played in a major key. We talk about why Ben has a hard time being happy on Ash Wednesday, the importance of liturgical traditions, and how Scrubs can teach us about balancing joy and pain. Also, Jesse and Ben trade Anne of Green Gables and Doctor Who references to explain their points as true nerds are wont to do.

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Episode 24: An Interview w/ Christian Piatt

Ben and Sebastian sit down with author and blogger Christian Piatt to talk about a variety of topics including the Homebrewed Culture Cast (the Miami Heat to On Pop's Charlotte Bobcats), his critiques of radical theology, his memoir PregMANcy about the birth of his second child, and his new venture, the Heretic's Guide to the Bible. Join us as we get Christian's honest, thoughtful take on these issues and more.

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Episode 23: On Superheroes

Ben, Jesse and Sebastian sit down to discuss superheroes, superhero movies and why we love them so much. We talk about superheroes as salvation figures, whether Superman is Jesus or Moses, how superheroes respond to our desire for control over chaos, and how the ethos behind superheroes presents a negative view of humanity. We also talk about weird stuff like when Superman fought the Ku Klux Klan. Join and enjoy our rambling and kind of ridiculous ravings.

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Episode 22: Jason Collins, Homosexuality and Christianity

Ben sits down with co-hosts Sebastian Faust, Jesse Moon and Ryan Hawk to talk about the news of Jason Collins' announcement that he is gay. They break down the significance of the announcement, then discuss the reaction within the sports community including the negative response of ESPN commentator Chris Broussard. Finally, the shift into a discussion of the church's response to homosexuality, the turning tide in favor of gay marriage, and the odd role pastors perform as agents of the state with regards to marriages.

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Episode 21: Doctor Who, The Hunger Games and God w/ Julie Clawson

Ben and co-host Mark Smith talk with Julie Clawson, author of The Hunger Games and the Gospel, about Doctor Who, the Hunger Games trilogy, and how they relate to the the Christian life. Join in as they discuss the relational nature of both the Doctor and the Hunger Games as well as the way both narratives deal with violence and pacifism.


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Episode 20: Sex, Violence and the Gods of Westeros

Ben and Sebastian sit down to talk about their favorite TV show/book series, Game of Thrones. They explore the way the show and the books treat religion, the power of avoiding false dualities of good and evil, the problem of sexposition, and the importance of discussing sex and violence as part of the gritty reality of a hard and difficult life. There are a handful of mild spoilers throughout so be forewarned.

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Episode 19: God and Doctor Who w/ James McGrath


Ben and Jesse sit down with Dr. James McGrath, religion professor at Butler University and author of the blog Exploring Our Matrix, to talk about the geeky wonderfulness that is Doctor Who and why the show interacts with religion. Join us as we talk about Time Lords, companions, and the philosophical importance of TV's longest running show.

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Episode 18: On Understanding Judaism w/ Krista Dalton

Ben and co-host John Carter sit down with Krista Dalton, a doctoral candidate at Columbia University, to talk about how to understand and interact with Judaism. Krista shares her experiences studying about the Jewish faith, uncovers the misunderstandings prevalent in Christian understandings of Judaism and points out why your Hebrew tattoo might have been an odd choice.

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Episode 17: The Theology of Louis C.K.

Ben and Jesse breakdown why Louis C.K. is wonderful in spite of his occasionally vulgar subject matter, and what his understanding of human nature means to for Christianity and Church. They also explore the soul-crushing, yet hilarious shows It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and The League to see what they have to say about society, humanity, and whether or not they're both secretly live action cartoons.

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Episode 16: Stuff Christian Culture Likes w/ Stephanie Drury

Ben sits down with Stephanie Drury, the mind behind the blog Stuff Christian Culture Likes. Join them as they talk about the cliched things Christian culture likes, the need for anger in the church, Mark Driscoll, rockin' worship tweets and the sublime disaster that is the movie The Room.

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Episode 15: Drawn In - A Creative Process for Artists, Activists and Jesus Followers

Ben interviews author and artist Troy Bronsink about his new book "Drawn In: A Creative Process for Artists, Activists and Jesus Followers" from Paraclete Press. They talk about the importance of art in the church, the way we can view church itself as an art form, and the importance of engaging in creative activities even for people who don't consider them artists.

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Episode 14: On Contemporary Christian Music

Sebastian and Ben sit down with guest Ryan Hawk to discuss his time in the CCM band Jackson Waters, what he learned from his time in the industry, and how the church and the Christian music industry interact. Join them as they talk about how to make young soccer moms cry, the battle for artistic integrity, and the late great One Tree Hill.

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Episode 13: Not Your Mother's Morals

This week on the show Ben brings you an interview with author Jonathan Fitzgerald (Huffington Post, Patrol) about his new e-book Not Your Mother's Morals. They talk about the rise of the New Sincerity in popular culture, hipster culture, the awesomeness of Judd Apatow movies, and the possible backlash found in shows like HBO's Girls.

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Episode 12: Atticus Finch Comes to Life (An Interview with Lee Camp)

In this special episode of the On Pop Theology podcast, Ben interviews Dr. Lee Camp, theology and ethics professor at Lipscomb University as well as the mind behind the Tokens radio show, about Tokens, his latest book Who Is My Enemy? and a even a little college football. Join them as they discuss taking yourself too seriously, bad book titles, and a story about an elderly woman who really doesn't like it when Notre Dame loses to the Jesuits.

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Episode 11: My Hate For Duke Is Theologically Accurate

Ben, Leigh and guest host Ryan Hawk talk college basketball, March Madness, why John Calipari is secretly Voldemort, what winning means to the city of Memphis, and why it's totally defensible to hate Duke basketball for a wide variety of reasons. Finally, they touch a little upon baseball with Spring Training upon us and games about a month away.

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Episode 10: All's War in Love and Oscars

Sebastian, Leigh and Ben sit down to preview the upcoming Oscars by talking about four nominated movies and the way they deal with war. They explore the popcorn stylings of Argo, the bombast of Les Miserables, the West Winginess of Lincoln, and the cold, unblinking reality of Zero Dark Thirty.

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Episode 9: The Godfather (of the Podcast), Part II

In Part 2 of their conversation, Dr. George Goldman and Ben talk about celebrity pastors, impression management, American Idol, the he went to a Jonas Brothers concert, One Direction, theologians and baseball, why soccer players and basketball players are crazy people, the violence in football and the time when Dr. Goldman's three year old son learned how to use Twitter.

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Episode 8: The Godfather (of the Podcast), Part I

Ben leaves the fancy studio on Music Row and travels to Lipscomb University where he interviews On Pop Theology's godfather Dr. George Goldman. Join them as they discuss postmodernism, the gospel in culture, The Simpsons, media representations of church, The Bachelor, reality TV, A.J. McCarron's girlfriend, and celebrity culture.

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Episode 7: Emergence Christianity (Part 2)

In Part 2 of their discussion of Emergence Christianity, Sebastian and Ben cover Pecha Kucha presentations, Jay Bakker, Batman dioramas, Cameron Trimble and the Center for Progressive Renewal, Bruce Reyes-Chow, race in the church, the modernist tendencies of the Emergence Movement, the shadow of progress, authority, atonement theory, and what they think about the future of the church.

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Episode 6: Emergence Christianity (Part 1)

In this episode Sebastian talks to Ben about his visit to the Emergence Christianity gathering in Memphis, Tennessee. They talk about what emergence is, how it's effected the church, where it's going and add in a couple of critiques.

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Episode 5: Star Wars and Theologians

Jonathan, Leigh and Ben compare theologians to all the characters in Star Wars. Along the way they talk about popes, Ronald Reagan, the Spanish Inquisition, and Mad Men. In addition you'll hear some terrible attempts at impersonations, a few misguided attempts at history and Ben will mistakenly reference Ludwig Wittgenstein instead of Wolfhart Pannenberg, thus bringing shame on his friends and family. If you've ever wanted to know who the Luke Skywalker of Christianity might be, or whether George Lucas is God, then you're probably a crazy person, but you'll also enjoy this.

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Episode 4: The Sexist Part About the Mice

Jonathan, Leigh and Ben discuss Disney Princesses, sexism in Cinderella, Pride and Prejudice, why the Little Mermaid is terrible, angry step-mothers, Beauty and the Beast, the effect of Disney movies on children, the perfection of a Disney prince, the modern day fairytale of the Bachelor/ette, watching TV on mute, being friends with animals, morally responsible entertainment, rooting for the villain, the false duality of good and evil, and humanity in South Park and The Simpsons.

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Episode 3: Saint Justin of Bieber

Co-host Jonathan Harrison and Ben talk about the end of the world (ya know, back before it didn't end), the popularity and dating life of Taylor Swift, whether or not Ke$ha is satirical, the graduation ceremony Ben missed to record the podcast, an eschatological playlist, the New Sincerity, and the threats to Justin Bieber's future sainthood.

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Episode 2: Do You Scream At Strangers On The Bus?

Leigh and Ben discuss women bishops in the Anglican Church, the downside of being culturally relevant, feminism, internet flame wars, and the cannibalistic nature of Christianity.

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Episode 1: Welcome to Music Row

Ben Howard, Sebastian Faust and Leigh Bonner discuss Twilight, Bella, Team Mike Newton, stereotypical views of women, third way feminism, A Year of Biblical Womanhood, Rachel Held Evans, N.T. Wright and women bishops from their swanky digs on Music Row.

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